tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4844458687369955274.post7884852716927375366..comments2018-07-15T00:14:54.349-07:00Comments on mapHead: Practice Practice Practicenatcasehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18058664776852941599noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4844458687369955274.post-15024676436474370832009-07-28T13:26:45.553-07:002009-07-28T13:26:45.553-07:00These days many maps are made by people who's ...These days many maps are made by people who's "cartographic" training is one (or fewer) ESRI classes. Even some of us with cartographic training may not have much knowledge of geodesy or surveying (myself included). In other words the disparity of knowledge, background and purposes may be too much for a common cartographic ideal. <br /><br />If there is an ideal or aesthetic that gets pushed on us, it's usually the non-aesthetic of Tufte - show only the needed information without embellishment or commentary. Like most Dogma, take what's useful but don't restrict yourself only to that way of thinking. <br /><br />As for a common statement, perhaps a blog or site reviewing maps from popular media outlets would be a useful step. Various cartographers could weigh in on maps that are notable for good, bad or other reasons. If any of us actually have the time to do such a thing.<br /><br />PVS sounds like a really worthwhile endeavor. Maybe we cartographers need visitors too!Dughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787505045121628368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4844458687369955274.post-71297378963325296622009-07-21T06:43:11.056-07:002009-07-21T06:43:11.056-07:00Mark: hunh! it was in Florence. Funny we haven'...Mark: hunh! it was in Florence. Funny we haven't made the connection before.<br /><br />What you say about Quakers and collective experience is true, I think especially with folks like me who come from an unreligious humanist background. I think collective experience gets lumped in with "groupthink" and mob mentality... the two are not totally unrelated, but the pernicious association between them in secularist culture makes it a hard concept to swallow. That's my theory anyway.natcasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18058664776852941599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4844458687369955274.post-18632400791767712842009-07-20T05:18:25.773-07:002009-07-20T05:18:25.773-07:00Hi Nat,
I guess maybe I have at least seen you i...Hi Nat,<br /> I guess maybe I have at least seen you if not met you, since Ceal and I were at that PVS workshop - it was in Florence, right? I remember one of the board members saying that he came at it from the standpoint of not judging others. If we aren't supposed to judge the prisoners, or continue to hold their crimes against them, we shouldn't be advocating that in other situations. I'm not quite sure how applicable that line of reasoning was in this case. I agree it was a pretty surreal situation.<br /><br />I think many Friends have trouble with the whole "collective experience" thing. Isaac Penington described the experience as "all that are of the<br />Lord of one heart, of one mind, of one judgment, in one way of practice and order in all things". If you ask someone to describe their experience of worship, how often will they talk about feeling oneness? I ask this because it often seems like Friends come to meeting to have separate experiences in the same place.<br /><br />With love,<br /> MarkMark Wutkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01735952904584567390noreply@blogger.com